PMQs – snap verdict
Facing what was always going to be a tricky PMQs, Rishi Sunak performed much better than might have been expected in his exchanges with Keir Starmer and at times he was even ahead. But it was also hopeless. Both assessments can be true at that same time.
On the plus side, Sunak did quite well because he sounded super-confident and, on the Raac issue, for many of the questions, he had answers.
Schools affected? That list has been published, he said.
Impact on pupils? “In the majority of cases children will attend school as normal and the mitigations take typically just days or weeks to complete,” he insisted.
Scrapping the Building Schools for the Future programme? It excluded 80% of schools, the NAO found it “a third more expensive than it needed to be” and a later review said it was “time consuming and expensive”, he said.
And – perhaps the most serious charge – halving the school repair budget as chancellor? Sunak insisted the money he set aside for school maintenance and rebuilding in his spending review as chancellor represented a 20% increase on the years before.
Some of this might not pass muster with the fact-checkers. But, in the cut and thrust of debate, Sunak sounded to his MPs like someone who had a response to the questions he was facing. Conservative MPs will have also enjoyed his questionable claim about Starmer not raising the Raac issue in the past. “Exactly the type of political opportunism we’ve come to expect from Captain Hindsight,” he said, in a jibe that chimes a bit with voters, and a lot more with the Tory press.
But there is an obvious, massive, and election-losing problem with this line of attack. If you are leader of the opposition, “political opportunism” is part of the job description. Starmer did not need to trip Sunak up with forensic questioning today. All he had to do was channel the frustrations of people who feel the government is failing, and he did this very, very ably.
His best line was probably this one.
The truth is this crisis is the inevitable result of 13 years of cutting corners, botched jobs, sticking-plaster politics. It’s the sort of thing you expect from cowboy builders saying that everyone else is wrong, everyone else is blame, protesting they’ve done an effing good job, even as the ceiling falls in. The difference, Mr Speaker, is that in this case the cowboys are running the country. Isn’t he ashamed that after 13 years of tory governmnt children are cowering under steel supports, stopping their classroom roof falling in?
Starmer was articulating what people think. Whether that’s what most people think or just what many people think does not really matter, because it’s what enough people think (the polls suggest). So he prevailed.
Is there anything Sunak could have said or done to avert this? Probably not. The Financial Times has just published a column by Robert Shrimsley which explains why perfectly. It is headlined “Sunak’s problem is that Britain has stopped listening to the Tories” and it starts:
One of John Major’s cabinet ministers once likened the relationship with voters in the last years to a couple heading for divorce, glaring at each other over the toast and where “even the sound of the milk on the cornflakes is a source of irritation”.
In those final months, Tory MPs stopped believing they could win the next election, leadership contenders prioritised their own ambitions and media supporters argued over how to shape the party after a defeat. Above all, voters simply stopped listening to the Tories. No matter that Major was a decent man and Kenneth Clarke an impressive chancellor, the public had seen enough. Efforts to change the narrative were consumed by bad news, gaffes or minor scandals which seemed to epitomise the decay.
This must all sound familiar to Rishi Sunak. Once again we see a government with a studious premier and a capable chancellor trying to appear fresh after too many years in power. And yet, as one ally laments: “The country doesn’t seem interested in what we are saying.”
If the electorate isn’t paying attention any more, then no matter what you say, you just can’t win.
Key events
A reader asks:
I see the latest update about “MPs start debate on Labour motion calling for release of government papers about school repair funding”. This sounds like a re-run of very similar motion on 2023-05-23. Do we know if Labour are targeting Raac specifically this time?
This is interesting because it shows (contrary to what Rishi Sunak was suggesting at PMQs) that Labour has been raising this issue for a while. Here is the Hansard from the May debate. Labour was asking for the release of “a document or dataset containing the detailed school level data, including condition grades for individual building elements for all schools, from the latest Condition of School Buildings Survey”.
As usually happens when opposition day motions are put to a vote, Labour lost.
Today’s “humble address” motion is different. Labour is asking for the release of:
(a) submissions from the Department for Education to HM Treasury related to the spending reviews in 2020 and 2021; and
(b) all papers, advice, and correspondence, including submissions and electronic communications (including communications with and from Ministers and Special Advisers) within and between the Cabinet Office (including the Office of the Prime Minister), the Department for Education and HM Treasury relating to these submissions concerned with school buildings.
Gillian Keegan accuses Labour of descending ‘into political gutter’ in its campaigning on Raac
In the Commons Gillian Keegan, the education secretary, is now speaking on behalf of the government in the debate on the Labour motion.
In her opening remarks she claimed that Labour had descended “into the political gutter” in its handling of the Raac school building crisis.
And, challenged to explain why her department was spending £34m on an office refurbishment when that money could have been spent on schools, she said that the decision to spent that money had been signed off by the commercial director at the Department for Education in 2019. She said it wasn’t, and shouldn’t, have been a decision for ministers.
Here are comments from two commentators on Rishi Sunak’s decision to describe Keir Starmer as “Captain Hindsight” at PMQs.
From ITV’s Robert Peston
I was intrigued that at #PMQs the prime minister denigrated Keir Starmer as ‘Captain Hindsight’. This was Boris Johnson’s favourite jibe. It achieves precisely the opposite of what I thought Sunak wanted to achieve, namely that it inextricably links him to his contentious predecessor
I was intrigued that at #PMQs the prime minister denigrated Keir Starmer as ‘Captain Hindsight’. This was Boris Johnson’s favourite jibe. It achieves precisely the opposite of what I thought Sunak wanted to achieve, namely that it inextricably links him to his contentious…
— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 6, 2023
From the FT’s Stefan Stern
Another problem with “Capt Hindsight” as an insult is that, with hindsight, quite a lot of people seem to be regretting voting Conservative. There’s a lot of hindsight out there. #PMQs
Another problem with “Capt Hindsight” as an insult is that, with hindsight, quite a lot of people seem to be regretting voting Conservative. There’s a lot of hindsight out there. #PMQs
— stefanstern (@stefanstern) September 6, 2023

Helena Horton
Peers are being urged to permanently delete amendments to the levelling up bill that would allow housebuilders to get away with polluting England’s most sensitive rivers with sewage.
The amendments, drafted by Michael Gove, are coming before the Lords either today or next Wednesday. They are aimed at getting rid of nutrient neutrality rules, which are part of the EU’s habitats directive. If the bill passes, it will be the first time England has ripped up an EU derived environment law.
The Green party peer Jenny Jones plans to force a vote on the amendment to get it permanently deleted from the bill. This would force the government to bring the measure back in a separate bill and possibly delay it to beyond the next general election.
Two years ago Jones helped to lead a Lords rebellion that successfully blocked an 18-page government amendment to the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill and forced the government to return with a separate bill.
This move would be additional to a rebellion by the Duke of Wellington and Tory peers including former minister Zac Goldsmith, who are backing an amendment that would cancel out Gove’s.
Jones is urging the Labour party, which has sat on the fence on this issue, to join her and the Liberal Democrats in her quest to save England’s sensitive wetlands, such as the Norfolk Broads.
Jones said:
The Lords were lied to by the government about not lowering environmental standards. These amendments to the levelling up bill give peers a great opportunity to correct the mistake we made in giving ground to ministers on keeping our long standing system of environmental protections.
MPs start debate on Labour motion calling for release of government papers about school repair funding
In the Commons Bridget Phillipson, the shadow education secretary, is now opening the debate on Labour’s “humble address” motion. (See 2.05pm.)
During PMQs Keir Starmer did not repeat the line he used on BBC Breakfast this morning about Rishi Sunak prioritising a tax cut for champagne drinkers ahead of investment in school repairs. (See 9.34am.) But Phillipson repeated the point in her opening remarks.
Phillipson also said she was glad that the Department for Education had published a list of schools affected by Raac. But she said was concerned that there might be omissions from it.
Labour is using its opposition day debate this afternoon to hold a vote on a “humble address” motion that, if passed, would force the government to publish internal documents about the Department for Education’s demands for extra money for school repairs in 2020 and 2021, and the Treasury’s response. It wants to obtain written evidence to support the claim that Rishi Sunak, as chancellor, halved spending on school repairs.
At the post-PMQs lobby briefing the PM’s spokesperson said the government was opposed to publishing this information voluntarily. He said:
We don’t as a matter of course publish advice to prime ministers, or ministers. I’m not aware of any plans to change that longstanding approach.
Downing Street said it did not recognise the claim that Sunak as chancellor had halved funding for school repairs.
The spokesperson also declined to say how long it would take to resolve the Raac crisis. He said:
Whilst there are still some outstanding surveys we cannot put a specific timeline on it.
In the instances where we have identified Raac we expect mitigations to be put in place in a number of weeks.
PMQs – snap verdict
Facing what was always going to be a tricky PMQs, Rishi Sunak performed much better than might have been expected in his exchanges with Keir Starmer and at times he was even ahead. But it was also hopeless. Both assessments can be true at that same time.
On the plus side, Sunak did quite well because he sounded super-confident and, on the Raac issue, for many of the questions, he had answers.
Schools affected? That list has been published, he said.
Impact on pupils? “In the majority of cases children will attend school as normal and the mitigations take typically just days or weeks to complete,” he insisted.
Scrapping the Building Schools for the Future programme? It excluded 80% of schools, the NAO found it “a third more expensive than it needed to be” and a later review said it was “time consuming and expensive”, he said.
And – perhaps the most serious charge – halving the school repair budget as chancellor? Sunak insisted the money he set aside for school maintenance and rebuilding in his spending review as chancellor represented a 20% increase on the years before.
Some of this might not pass muster with the fact-checkers. But, in the cut and thrust of debate, Sunak sounded to his MPs like someone who had a response to the questions he was facing. Conservative MPs will have also enjoyed his questionable claim about Starmer not raising the Raac issue in the past. “Exactly the type of political opportunism we’ve come to expect from Captain Hindsight,” he said, in a jibe that chimes a bit with voters, and a lot more with the Tory press.
But there is an obvious, massive, and election-losing problem with this line of attack. If you are leader of the opposition, “political opportunism” is part of the job description. Starmer did not need to trip Sunak up with forensic questioning today. All he had to do was channel the frustrations of people who feel the government is failing, and he did this very, very ably.
His best line was probably this one.
The truth is this crisis is the inevitable result of 13 years of cutting corners, botched jobs, sticking-plaster politics. It’s the sort of thing you expect from cowboy builders saying that everyone else is wrong, everyone else is blame, protesting they’ve done an effing good job, even as the ceiling falls in. The difference, Mr Speaker, is that in this case the cowboys are running the country. Isn’t he ashamed that after 13 years of tory governmnt children are cowering under steel supports, stopping their classroom roof falling in?
Starmer was articulating what people think. Whether that’s what most people think or just what many people think does not really matter, because it’s what enough people think (the polls suggest). So he prevailed.
Is there anything Sunak could have said or done to avert this? Probably not. The Financial Times has just published a column by Robert Shrimsley which explains why perfectly. It is headlined “Sunak’s problem is that Britain has stopped listening to the Tories” and it starts:
One of John Major’s cabinet ministers once likened the relationship with voters in the last years to a couple heading for divorce, glaring at each other over the toast and where “even the sound of the milk on the cornflakes is a source of irritation”.
In those final months, Tory MPs stopped believing they could win the next election, leadership contenders prioritised their own ambitions and media supporters argued over how to shape the party after a defeat. Above all, voters simply stopped listening to the Tories. No matter that Major was a decent man and Kenneth Clarke an impressive chancellor, the public had seen enough. Efforts to change the narrative were consumed by bad news, gaffes or minor scandals which seemed to epitomise the decay.
This must all sound familiar to Rishi Sunak. Once again we see a government with a studious premier and a capable chancellor trying to appear fresh after too many years in power. And yet, as one ally laments: “The country doesn’t seem interested in what we are saying.”
If the electorate isn’t paying attention any more, then no matter what you say, you just can’t win.
No 10 denies Labour claims Sunak misled MPs when he accused Starmer of not raising Raac problem in past
Downing Street is defending what Rishi Sunak said at PMQs about Keir Starmer not having raised the school building safety issue before. Labour says Sunak was wrong, because Starmer did talk about it in his education speech in July. (See 12.46pm.) Starmer said in the speech:
So – for his Tory party to turn around afterwards and repay their sacrifice with nothing, to sit there twiddling their thumbs as teachers leave in their droves, school buildings start to crumble and absenteeism goes through the roof – that’s shameful.
But No 10 says Sunak was specifically talking about Raac.
This is from the Sun’s Harry Cole.
JUST IN: No10 sticking to guns that Starmer speech did not mention RAAC after PMQs dig.
“PM was talking about RAAC, and there has been new information recently. Starmers speech did not reference RAAC once.”
JUST IN: No10 sticking to guns that Starmer speech did not mention RAAC after PMQs dig.
“PM was talking about RAAC, and there has been new information recently. Starmers speech did not reference RAAC once.” https://t.co/NpKjQihna7
— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) September 6, 2023
UPDATE: During PMQs Sunak said:
Before today, [Starmer] never once raised this issue with me in parliament, it wasn’t even worthy of a single mention in his so-called landmark speech on education this summer.
And at the post-PMQs lobby briefing, when it was put to her that Starmer had mentioned the state of school building in his education speech, the PM’s press secretary replied:
The prime minister was clearly talking about Raac and Starmer did not mention Raac in his speech.
Alexander Stafford, a Conservative MP, rises to make a retaliatory point of order. He says that Keir Starmer spoke about the Department for Education spending £34m refurbishing “Tory” offices. But in fact they are Whitehall offices, he says.
Hoyle says Stafford has put this on the record.
Labour says Sunak misled Commons when he accused Starmer of not raising school building safety issue before
Lucy Powell, the new shadow leader of the Commons, raises a point of order. She says Rishi Sunak said Keir Starmer had not raised school building safety before, including in his speech in the summer. But he did mention it in the speech. And Labour MPs have raised the issue more than 180 times, she says. Will Sunak correct the record?
Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, says Powell has now corrected the record herself. He says Sunak (who has gone) will be told about what Powell has said.
Chris Law (SNP) says the Tories and Labour are “two cheeks of the same arse”.
Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, says Law should consider his language.
Law says he is happy to say they are two cheeks of the same bottom. Does the PM agree that the Scots would be better off independent?
Obviously not, says Sunak. But he says that question was aimed at Starmer.
Dame Caroline Dinenage (Con) asks when the government will publish a childhood cancer action plan.
Sunak says a plan is being published. He will write to Dinenage to give her “a sense of timing”, he says.
Mary Glindon (Lab) asks if Sunak will stop prevaricating and sign the UK up to the EU’s Horizon programme.
Sunak says the government’s preference is to associate with Horizon, but it wants to do that on terms that are right for the taxpayer. He says he hopes to be able to conclude the negotiations successfully, and when he does he hopes Glindon will be pleased.
William Wragg (Con) asks if Sunak supports early-intervention mental health hubs.
Sunak says the Department of Health is looking at the role these hubs could play. He offers to meet Wragg to discuss this.
Ian Mearns (Lab) asks about transport in the north-east of England. He asks about funding for a new rail line to Durham.
Sunak says he cannot comment on specific projects. But he says since 2010 the government has spent a third more on transport in the north-east than Labour did in its last six years in power.
Keir Starmer did mention the state of school buildings in his education speech, contrary to what Rishi Sunak alleged a few minutes ago, Adam Bienkov from Byline Times points out.
Rishi Sunak says collapsing schools “wasn’t even worthy of a single mention” in Keir Starmer’s education speech this summer.
Here’s the section of Starmer’s speech back in July in which he specifically mentioned crumbling schools. #PMQs pic.twitter.com/Qt1srPcEDX
— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) September 6, 2023